Ezra Klein interviews Helen Coner.

"This is the world we were warned about: a world where OpenAI's cutting-edge models are escaping their controlled test environments, making their way across the internet, coordinating with each other, and doing things that for a while seemed like science fiction. But now they are here. And they convey a very clear message: we are building things we do not understand. They are cheating in the way we have always feared, and yet, the companies behind them continue to race ahead in development."-